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Old 07-19-2024, 10:48 PM   #1
CrazyCanuck
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Best quality fifth wheel toyhauler.

New member here and looking for a replacement used 5th wheel toyhauler. Can anyone point me in a decent direction please. I presently have a 2007 desert fix 38 footer triple axle and looking for something about 8 to 10 years newer. Thankx in advance.
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Old 07-23-2024, 10:32 AM   #2
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Good morning CC:

I must say, if anyone looked at my toy hauler closely, they would recommend you stay away from Grand Design. Not only the materials are cheap, that seems to be industry wide, but the workmanship is very poor, IMHO.

I have had facia trim around the slide rooms come off and I found the pieces in the floor.

A piece of the door jamb that leads from the living space to the garage came off in less than 2,000 miles of Interstate cruising. I also found nails sticking up under the vinyl floor covering. The fuel pump did not work. I found the fuel pump problem myself on the first attempted use of it. The problem was three, single pair, electrical leads were not even plugged into the control board in the fueling bay. One pin on the back of the board was bent over so all three pairs were just tied back with a zip tie.

The one really bad thing was something really dangerous. My center axle had shifted a couple of inches rearwards. I discovered it while doing a walk-around inspection one morning while on a trip. I limped into town to a trailer shop and spent a few hours there while they fixed it.

I've had other problems that have made me decide that I will never own another unit with the Grand Design name on it. Others may be just as bad, but I know from firsthand experience that Grand Design did a pretty poor job on my trailer.

Two years with it and I've had to replace the toilet and the main TV. My electric refrigerator control board had problems from day-one that Samsung knew about. So that had to be replaced. My built-in space heater/fireplace failed after one winter.

The plastic faucets on the kitchen sink and the bathroom vanity started leaking on only my third trip. I replaced them with better quality units from Home Depot.

The fueling problem and nails were as I stated brand new from the dealer.

I will tell you that the tires Grand Design had their trailer frame supplier put on the trailer are top-shelf, Cooper trailer tires. Cooper has been making tires for big trucks for decades and they have a good reputation. My tires are rated for a max cold pressure of 125 psi. I never let them get below 120 psi cold. And they hold air very well.

I hope this gives you some insight and is helpful to your efforts.

Dave
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Old 07-28-2024, 12:48 PM   #3
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Thankx. Still looking for more info.
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Old Yesterday, 03:37 AM   #4
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Well Crazy, I thought your question would get opinions flowing out the woodwork. I can't imagine why that didn't happen. If you ask people face to face, they are usually happy to tell you about their experiences with one brand or another.

It seems to me that a particular brand doesn't mean as much in the used market. Heck, it doesn't mean much in the new market either. They all seem to try to get by on the cheap everywhere you look. And if you want more than "cheap", you have to pay extra for it.

If I were in the market for something like you seem to be looking for, I would ask what works and what doesn't work. Check for hot water, on-board pump working from fresh water tank. Cracks in the tires, inflation pressure. Check air conditioners function and when was the last service done. If generator is installed, let's hear it run. You really don't care about last oil change. You're going to change the oil and filter right away anyway.

If hydraulic leveling jacks, retract them all. Then go to hooking or hitch height and press the auto level if so equipped. Check the oil level in the hydraulic oil tank. Look around the compartment for evidence of leaks, or a recent clean-up. Rub your bare hand over the compartment panels. No one is going to clean all of the oil up after a leak has sprayed hydraulic oil all over the place. There is a thin film of it left behind. Then look at all jacks.

Check the batteries. Are they corroded a bit, or a lot. Are they FLA batteries, or sealed deep cycle AGM batteries. If they are FLA, chances are they may be original and will need to be replaced very soon. If they are AGM deep cycle, you likely will have some time left on them. They didn't come from the builder. They've been replaced.

Do all of the doors seem to close and latch properly? do any seem to be out of square with the jamb all around?

The white membrane roofing material is only given a life of about 11 years before you'll need to have it replaced. Can you say "Ka-Ching"??? I would bet those in the area you're looking have not replaced that membrane.

Check the awnings run them out and back in. The awning material could last three to five years. Water is a killer, and so is leaving them out when you should have retracted them and the wind sort of started some damage and it tore more over later uses. If you leave them retracted and don't deploy them to let them dry out, you will have mold on them. That's not a good thing.

Make sure all the lights work. Primarily the driving lights, but of course, all indoor lighting should work also.

Just tear it up and perhaps the seller may cut a lot of money off their asking price and give you a really low price to take it "As is."

Anyway, let me know how you come out. I assume you haven't bought another one yet.

Happy Trails
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